It is easy to be offended when someone points a finger at us, and even better when it comes out at the same time, the finger directed at us, accompanied by the painful truth.
I do not understand the words of the opposition. Why should we be Golden Harvest. The thing about what was happening on the outskirts of the extermination of the Jews Jan Tomasz Gross and Irene Grudzinska - Gross deny? If they were able to prove the truth, to find the caller, who will confirm their knowledge so why would we even a little doubt in their content?
I'm all for that someone dared to write an essay as to Gross, who deny his words. Let those who find the source of the indignation denying the truth of that which was in Gross's book. Yes, it's not hard to believe that not all Poles were involved in looting and murder of the Jews after the Holocaust. We can not generalize and nobody has that intention. But there are opponents of this theory.
I do not understand the words of the opposition. Why should we be Golden Harvest. The thing about what was happening on the outskirts of the extermination of the Jews Jan Tomasz Gross and Irene Grudzinska - Gross deny? If they were able to prove the truth, to find the caller, who will confirm their knowledge so why would we even a little doubt in their content?
I'm all for that someone dared to write an essay as to Gross, who deny his words. Let those who find the source of the indignation denying the truth of that which was in Gross's book. Yes, it's not hard to believe that not all Poles were involved in looting and murder of the Jews after the Holocaust. We can not generalize and nobody has that intention. But there are opponents of this theory.
Gross does not ignore the fact that the war benefited mainly Germany, that they enriched themselves in harm others, and other nations, including Poland, have benefited indirectly (including incurring losses). The third phase of the Holocaust, however, shows a different picture of the Polish countryside. Then when the Germans withdrew from the Polish lands, still on the way robbing and exploiting their forces were killed at the hands of incomparably less Poles (defending) than Jews seeking, like the rest of the people of refuge and assistance.
German losses in occupied Polish the summer of 1944 did not exceed 3 thousand. So what are the implications of the figures cited by Grossów? No less, no more such that we, or at least the peasant part of our society, not on this side, after which we thought we were when we killed more Jews than the Germans.
impulse to write Golden Harvest has a photograph, whose interpretation may depend on the degree of emotional involvement, the strength of objectivity. We should also look at him long enough to see what we are most interested to see the complexity of all its elements. It is known that the photograph - not the best quality today - old, faded, eaten away by the tooth of time well-concealed heart. But the trained eye will notice not only the Polish countryside, sunny day, the peasants of anxious faces (and perhaps proud?) And guarding them (and perhaps accompanying them?) militiamen. Only after a deeper analysis of the foreground dojrzymy yields are not born out by the earth, and the bones of the earth torn, dug. And it is difficult to compare the sanctity of which are the bones of the dead to the crop, but I've stolen from them gold and other valuables can be called a crop.
source: Gazeta Wyborcza Gross has already accustomed us to shock and amaze the desire to discover the truth is not always comfortable, even for him as a Pole. However, he says Barbara Endelking - Boni Gross is a shocking end up reconciling. The storm, which causes each subsequent title of his publication after a while he calms down, leading to reconcile with the truth, not always convenient, but indeed human.
It's a process that goes on (...). There is a fact in the public space, which somehow have to assimilate and reconcile with our imagination of ourselves. And it is difficult. This may at first give rise to resistance. But the process has its own dynamics. Slowly we learn our sense of identity is a construct.
Jan Tomasz Gross writes is a Polish historian. What it does, well serves talks Poles. Until now, all benefited greatly from his books and I hope that this too will serve to the fact that we start talking seriously (....) Anyway, it is already happening.
this text do not want to offend anyone or let alone evaluate. I do not judge the war and the behavior associated with it. No one should judge others in the face of death, fear, hunger, and the ball. On the other hand, the war not only contributes to the inhuman reflexes. However, it should not be their excuse, nor blame incongruous behavior of man. Is today, when there are victims of theft cases do not have to deal with the same behavior? Marcin Zaremba Even in his article on the Golden Harvest gives an example of the lack of humanity in the face of poverty and death:
on September 28, 1946, which at the same time, the peasant "diggers" ryli in the fields of Treblinka, the crash railway station Lodz Kaliska. 21 people were killed and over 40 injured. Gathered on the platform, travelers went collectively towards the victims. Not there to help them. Rushed to rob them. Sources say nothing about the ethnic origin of victims of the disaster.
course here omit an element of murder, but the desire to get rich is the same. Maybe someone will say that it is not on such a scale that in such cases, no one is digging in order to plunder corpses (really - that went extinct hyenas cemetery at the end of the war?), But is it still is not the same? Is stealing is not always theft. Can it change its caliber depending on the decomposition of corpses?
This dictated the behavior of Poles from hunger, fear meant that they were not thinking. Fear of starvation and death of loved ones being shot. Paying particular attention to the environment in which they occurred looting and murder Jews, we must take into account - apart from poverty - and also the cultural level of the Polish countryside. It must be remembered that all this has happened just after the war, when the Polish village had no access to the city, there was also support from the government, was forced to rely on each other. They were very simple people who have not known it was a sense of decency, for which the faith (and this issue raises Gross Golden harvest ) Christ was an icon, a piece of wood, przystrojonym in melodious sorrow but that ended with a sense of faith. Marcin Zaremba relying on the anthropology of culture in the Polish countryside Louis Stomma cites these words:
Catholicism prewar rural community was ritualised, tiles, on the border of paganism. Began and ended at the threshold of the church.
Those people then were not thinking about far-reaching consequences. They were thinking about survival, enrichment. You might not think even in terms of Jew - not a Jew, the only man gold (although the Polish anti-Semitism that is another story - the hero of the book by Joanna Wiszniewicz But sometimes I get interested even dreams says that the Jews were afraid of the Poles). Probably not write and does not speak about it (I suspect that it may also be known to historians, true) how many Poles Poles killed the other ... how many Jews murdered his own brothers. Well, we see ourselves as higher beings, and we are only human and simple reflexes only, aimed at guiding us survive, especially in the face of death.
Golden Harvest storm emotions - on one side comes the desire to critique the Poles, their awful behavior, on the other hand immediately made aware of the threat of those moments, and explains some of the behavior. Added to this is some kind of budding left unsatisfied, angry with the author, but it goes a little biased to the topic apart from other nations, which also, like the Poles forget about human reflexes were not mentioned so extensively, and only hinted. But a moment later, the realization that an essay does not accommodate everything, and nobody wanted to badly, especially that the author is himself a Pole. I think we would feel offended if the author of other nationalities wrote these bitter words, then we might suspect a conspiracy, hypocrisy, coloring. Otherwise we're just grateful for the opportunity to know the truth. So do not judge because I do not know when we will find yourself in this situation. It cliches starting word someone may say, but they are always in such circumstances and will never be outdated. Reading
Golden Harvest never once felt offended. Gross, at least in words. If something offended me it is the behavior of some (added some) Poles, which is not explained by looking for the threshold of death. For, though hiding Jews was punishable by death from the occupier, not a refusal. It was enough to slam the door if someone was afraid of the consequences (which is understandable) but did not have to just kill. It was enough, if someone has already decided to help and hide Jews, demand as much money as was necessary for their maintenance - what would have been understandable for all. But I do not have to rob them of clothing, the last money set aside for a rainy day, and punish with death that got to be not sufficiently many.
most outrage after reading (and even before), this book may be apparent that we are a nation accustomed to being persecuted and the victims, that we are sorry. There comes to mind that it was possible from our side - for the Poles - and to experience harm. Indeed, injury is often dictated by all this, what I wrote above, but that does not explain certain behaviors. Does not absolve the participation of some persons (although not here You can categorize - poor or rich, stupid or wise nit had no license to kill) in the looting of Jews persecuted - because the court, the layer of landowners and the church shows Gross (while bearing in mind that the murders were not always made directly by the Poles, often They pointed to the Jews hiding or making them handcuffed, related to police headquarters or the Germans). Referring to a quote from a book perspective, perhaps the horror of the situation, the lack of rules in the absence of support from the government and guarding the right, which also gives a contemporary example, of deterioration of humanity:
already have established that during the war granatowi policemen took part in the robbery and murder of Jews. It is known that after the war, the Civic Militia personnel also attacked Jews.
This discussion is a matter of fact just beginning. This Grosses have established it, dodging often closed the window (in some families, perpetrators, whose descendants are familiar with the past is a taboo subject, some of these people today, at the bottom of the cabinet store robbed the Jews of things) They let in the spirit of truth, which may be spread among the thoughts of our nation. For although, of course, Germany unleashed the Holocaust, and they are the guilty, it can not but admit that outside of Germany were still other countries that przykładały hand to the death and injury of others. You can not blame the war, because it's a little bit as if to protect themselves from liability. Found guilty, who is unable to answer for their actions. War and what was on it alone is not constant and, although ruled by its own laws (often unlawful), then you can not stand for her and feel protected. Because as the author himself writes Golden Harvest
anonymity of the Holocaust from the perspective of time is probably the most frustrating aspect of the whole phenomenon.
is hard to find words on the naming of such acts, because murder is probably too little, pillage, in turn, can not refer to rob graves and desecration of corpses, or the more persecuted for murder in order to enrich themselves at their expense. Jan Gross's book would probably not explain this phenomenon, much less find an appropriate determination on it. It reflects the truth, which every thinking person can guess, deny it and blame. But I can not judge, because as long as he does not happen in such a situation as long as they will not know how many lives it costs.
This modest book is full of facts that each of us should know and what they will do it for each individual case, but no one can remain in the belief that we are innocent, because here's happened on occasion and without special efforts were made to drag her use.
Those people then were not thinking about far-reaching consequences. They were thinking about survival, enrichment. You might not think even in terms of Jew - not a Jew, the only man gold (although the Polish anti-Semitism that is another story - the hero of the book by Joanna Wiszniewicz But sometimes I get interested even dreams says that the Jews were afraid of the Poles). Probably not write and does not speak about it (I suspect that it may also be known to historians, true) how many Poles Poles killed the other ... how many Jews murdered his own brothers. Well, we see ourselves as higher beings, and we are only human and simple reflexes only, aimed at guiding us survive, especially in the face of death.
Golden Harvest storm emotions - on one side comes the desire to critique the Poles, their awful behavior, on the other hand immediately made aware of the threat of those moments, and explains some of the behavior. Added to this is some kind of budding left unsatisfied, angry with the author, but it goes a little biased to the topic apart from other nations, which also, like the Poles forget about human reflexes were not mentioned so extensively, and only hinted. But a moment later, the realization that an essay does not accommodate everything, and nobody wanted to badly, especially that the author is himself a Pole. I think we would feel offended if the author of other nationalities wrote these bitter words, then we might suspect a conspiracy, hypocrisy, coloring. Otherwise we're just grateful for the opportunity to know the truth. So do not judge because I do not know when we will find yourself in this situation. It cliches starting word someone may say, but they are always in such circumstances and will never be outdated. Reading
Golden Harvest never once felt offended. Gross, at least in words. If something offended me it is the behavior of some (added some) Poles, which is not explained by looking for the threshold of death. For, though hiding Jews was punishable by death from the occupier, not a refusal. It was enough to slam the door if someone was afraid of the consequences (which is understandable) but did not have to just kill. It was enough, if someone has already decided to help and hide Jews, demand as much money as was necessary for their maintenance - what would have been understandable for all. But I do not have to rob them of clothing, the last money set aside for a rainy day, and punish with death that got to be not sufficiently many.
most outrage after reading (and even before), this book may be apparent that we are a nation accustomed to being persecuted and the victims, that we are sorry. There comes to mind that it was possible from our side - for the Poles - and to experience harm. Indeed, injury is often dictated by all this, what I wrote above, but that does not explain certain behaviors. Does not absolve the participation of some persons (although not here You can categorize - poor or rich, stupid or wise nit had no license to kill) in the looting of Jews persecuted - because the court, the layer of landowners and the church shows Gross (while bearing in mind that the murders were not always made directly by the Poles, often They pointed to the Jews hiding or making them handcuffed, related to police headquarters or the Germans). Referring to a quote from a book perspective, perhaps the horror of the situation, the lack of rules in the absence of support from the government and guarding the right, which also gives a contemporary example, of deterioration of humanity:
already have established that during the war granatowi policemen took part in the robbery and murder of Jews. It is known that after the war, the Civic Militia personnel also attacked Jews.
This discussion is a matter of fact just beginning. This Grosses have established it, dodging often closed the window (in some families, perpetrators, whose descendants are familiar with the past is a taboo subject, some of these people today, at the bottom of the cabinet store robbed the Jews of things) They let in the spirit of truth, which may be spread among the thoughts of our nation. For although, of course, Germany unleashed the Holocaust, and they are the guilty, it can not but admit that outside of Germany were still other countries that przykładały hand to the death and injury of others. You can not blame the war, because it's a little bit as if to protect themselves from liability. Found guilty, who is unable to answer for their actions. War and what was on it alone is not constant and, although ruled by its own laws (often unlawful), then you can not stand for her and feel protected. Because as the author himself writes Golden Harvest
anonymity of the Holocaust from the perspective of time is probably the most frustrating aspect of the whole phenomenon.
is hard to find words on the naming of such acts, because murder is probably too little, pillage, in turn, can not refer to rob graves and desecration of corpses, or the more persecuted for murder in order to enrich themselves at their expense. Jan Gross's book would probably not explain this phenomenon, much less find an appropriate determination on it. It reflects the truth, which every thinking person can guess, deny it and blame. But I can not judge, because as long as he does not happen in such a situation as long as they will not know how many lives it costs.
This modest book is full of facts that each of us should know and what they will do it for each individual case, but no one can remain in the belief that we are innocent, because here's happened on occasion and without special efforts were made to drag her use.
quotes from the book, Golden Harvest and the Gazeta Wyborcza
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